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hi,ipsi()

The Chinese tone sandhis is complicated, indeed.I wonder if you know
“五度表音法”?That's the first tone is 55,second is 35, third is 214 and the forth is 51.

Anyway, i'll try to explain it.

In fact, tone sandhis mainly occurs on the third tone characters . There are 3 situations.

1. two third tone characters are together:
1.1 the former one becomes the second tone ,which is 35.
e.g.
你好 水果 了解 (214+214)→(35+214)

1.2 if the latter one is no-tone (轻声)but originally the third tone too, the former one
become the second tone (35) or half third tone (21)
e.g.
等等 想起 (214+neutral tone) → (35+neutral tone)
姐姐 奶奶 (214+neutral tone) → (21+neutral tone)

2. three third tone characters are together, two situations,which are related to the arrangement
of the words :
2.1 很勇敢 小老虎 (214+214+214)→ (21+35+214)
you see, 勇敢 and 老虎 are headwords.
2.2 展览馆 管理组 (214+214+214) → (35+35+214)
you see, 展览 and 管理 are attributes

3. before non-third tone characters, the third tone should become 21.
e.g.
首都 北京 (214+55) → (21+55)
海洋 语言 (214+35) → (21+35)
土地 鼓励 (214+51) → (21+51)
尾巴 宝贝 (214+neutral tone) → (21+neutral tone)

Difficult? It doesn't matter. If you have chance to speak chinese with native speakers, i think
you will grasp the Chinese tone sandhis sooner or later.

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Dear friends,
does this sentence

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��了指挥协调设计管理工作 ?

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mean
中国建筑设计研究院主管设计副院长担任国家体育场设计总指挥部的总指挥�
��了指挥协调设计管理工作

The understanding is right though the object changed by rearange of the sentence.

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羊肉串儿 are lamb skewers; you should be able to find them in any Xinjiang (新疆) restaurant.

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Saturday, June 7, 2008

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Do you think if I gave an incentive to do it like 500 or 1,000 yuan, would people be more
interested in doing it?

Haha, well, if I think about how much I can earn per hour as a programmer, multiplied by the
number of hours it would take to complete such a project, then my answer is still no For
comparison, pinyinput (which was a relatively small and simple project), only took about 200 hours
including research, design, development and testing. Back then, I also had both the time and the
desire to write such a program.

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Back then, I also had both the time and the desire to write such a program.

As opposed to now where you only have the time but not the desire

roddy -

200 hours is a lot of time. Was there nothing on telly? You should have said, I'd have lent you
some HBO.

I hadn't imagined it would take that long - all the more kudos for making it available to us all.

imron -

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As opposed to now where you only have the time but not the desire

Well I don't have the time now either (have you noticed how long its been between updates?)

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I hadn't imagined it would take that long

Haha, well then you'd be like most people (programmers included) when they estimate how long it
takes to write a piece of software. Actually, if you only talk about actual coding time for
Pinyinput, then it would have been about half that. The 200 hours also includes time hunting
around for, and reading the appropriate API documentation, time spent making little test programs
to get a better understanding of APIs (which are poorly documented), time spent in Photoshop
making the icons etc etc. It's the little things like these that people's brains tend to gloss
over when doing estimates that together all add up to a significant amount of time.

I'm sure there was stuff on telly, but not having an easy and consistent way to type pinyin was
something that had been bugging me for ages - not that I even write in Pinyin much at all, but
it's just for those few occasions, it really bugged me to have to open up a web browser, or some
other program just to get the tones.

SWWLiu -

Hi imrom and Roddy:

I just joined this forum a few days ago. I came to it through a Google search on "Structure of
Chinese Characters" and have been fascinated with many of the postings. I read all the threads to
Pinyinput IME today. Thank you, Roddy, for starting the forum -- and, imron, for being Admin and
for writing Pinyinput. I used to do a lot of bilingual word processing before the onset of
Unicode, which wiped out all my old "double byte" Chinese word processing systems. I am gingerly
getting back into it, under Unicode. I know several Chinese transliteration systems. I also know
MS Office Suite very well (including the underlying VBA) and will want to try your Pinyinput soon,
imron. I'm primarily a math/science editor and applications programmer (among other things). I try
to stay away from the API's and IME's as much as possible, but for Pinyinput, I might just cross
the line, imron. Wish me luck -- my laptop runs on Windows XP and I don't have a lot of free space
left on my hard drive.

By the way, what's the difference between "Unicode", "Unicode endian", and "UFT-8"? Where can I
find out?

imron -

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my laptop runs on Windows XP and I don't have a lot of free space left on my hard drive.

Not to worry, Pinyinput is quite small, and takes up next to no room on your hard disk (~160kb)

Regarding Unicode and the different encoding schemes, endianess and other things, here is a good
place to start.

Tinov -

Hi all,

Pinyinput is great, but would it run on the linux version of the Asus Eee PC? If not, is there
anyone out there looking to make a version that will?

Thanks

Tinov.

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Sorry, Pinyinput is currently Windows only.

crazy-meiguoren -

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By using Unicode's combining diacritic marks, it even supports tone marks over consonants, s̄ò
ȳǒù c̀áň w̌řītě āll s̀ōřts̄ ōf čŕāžy̌ s̄tǔff lǐǩě thǐs

A mǒǒse once bit my sister.

OK, I know it's not the "O" with the slash through it, but I'd thought I have a bit of fun with
some subtitles from a Monty Python movie...

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Friday, June 6, 2008

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I listen to both Cantonese songs and Mandarin songs (mostly from Taiwan).

What's the market of those songs in Asia? Is Mandarin song got a bigger market than Cantonese song?

It seems, Mandarin song MTV/KTV "video" is done much better than Cantonese song. (without
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Sad.....

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Thursday, June 5, 2008

Chinese Course - multi-speaker stories? - From Beijing Chinese School.com > Learning Chinese > Speaking and Listening

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in case most of you didnt notice where i posted this website in another thread, i'll post it here:
www.mmmppp333.com it has many audio files for (chinese & foreign) novels, legends, xiangsheng
performances, etc.. lots of good stuff. i hope it can benefit many of you.

now with that offered, i'd like to ask something of you all. the novels on that site are mostly
single-narrator audios. i'm wondering if anyone has found a place to get stories told by different
people playing each character. such as radio shows as we have in the west. i'm sure something like
this must be out there in the chinese world.

it brings a whole other dimension and interest into the audio, with different voices and
background sounds and whatnot. the single-narrator, no background sounds and animations make the
audio kind of dry.

looking for some radio type stories. anything? a similar thing would be like christian radio
program my mother listened to in the car sometimes called "adventures in odyssey". not that i'm
looking for religious stuff. but its just an example of the type of thing i'd like.

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I cant help you with your quest unfortunately but I would like to thank you for the resource heads
up... looks like a great site, will be making use of that for sure... cheers

rosetango -

hello , i'm a chinese .Hope you can understand what i say.Perhaps that kind of things (radio shows
)can be called in "广播剧". And you can use this word to make a search in "www.baidu.com"or
other website.by this means i got one and i'll post it here:
http://music.jschina.com.cn/class/guangboju.html
but i don't kown whether it is the type of things that you want.anyway,hope it can benefit you.by
the way,my english is not very well.and i hope someone can help me.my skype id is rose-tango and
nickname is:rosetango 谢谢~~

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thanks a lot, rosetango!

knowing the word 广播剧 really helps a lot.

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monto -

"How many" depends on "for What".

One never learns enough characters, so we have 活到老,学到老(You learn while you live).
In the campaigns to eliminate illiteracy in China after the Liberation , 1500 - 2000 characters
was the goal.

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I thought the goal was 26.

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It's just like English, not everyone will be able to learn every single word of the language. I
can't quantify how many English words I know, but I know more than enough to read a newspaper,
academic paper, and writing a high level essay in university. So what is my point? I think the
number of characters or words a person needs to know depends on what their objective is.

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Wednesday, June 4, 2008

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Hello Everyone!

I have just had an interview with a company called 'Reach to Teach'. I have done some preliminary
research on them by just searching google, and the feedback seems to be good. The interviewer was
very professional and thorough, and generally I was impressed.

However, from my readings of varous web forums, I have concluded that it is generally a good idea
to be weary of agencies like this. Can anyone give me the lowdown on this company, and/or
experiences that they have had with them?

This would be very helpful as, if I get accepted (which I will find out in the next few days), I
believe I will go through them to acquire my first ESL teaching position in China.

Much thanks in advance,

Barton Fink.

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jpvalois -

Hello,

Much as josvanouwerkerk, I've been wanting to develop an application like ZDT, but with added
functionality for 1) Unihan dictionary look ups and 2) an enhanced flashcard view. Unihan support
would make it more like CquickTrans and Wenlin, and enhanced flashcards would make me a very happy
camper. Here's what I had in mind:

1) Unihan support
I've found a mixture of ZDT, CQuickTrans and Wenlin to be my current *almost* ideal setup for
learning Mandarin. Wenlin is great for breaking down characters, CQuickTrans is superb for
referencing all available free data (Unihan and CEDICT), and ZDT is wonderful for its flashcard
capabilities, its openness and its portability. What I would like is for an additional "Unihan"
view that would simply list all of the characters whenever a phrase is selected (from either the
ZDT dictionary or from a category), much like CQuickTrans's behavior. Another "Hanzi detail" view
would show pertinent info for one selected character (strokes, radical, pinyin, UTF, definition,
frequency).

My questions for this item are :
* Is there any project currently under way to import Unihan.txt?
* If not, could it be done by pretty much duplicating the functionality for importing and
  accessing the CEDICT data?

2) Enhanced flashcards
Maybe I'm dreaming here, but I'd like to see flashcards in a 3D view, much as if I were handling
an actual "card" in my hands. Perhaps even a "flash cube" would be better : hanzi on one side, and
on the others: pinyin, English, radicals, an image, hints, who knows.

My question for this item is :
* What would be the preferred 3D technology? I've got some prior experience with OpenGL, but am
  bedazzled at the state of things for accomplishing this with Java and SWT. Should I consider
  LWJGL, JOGL or gljava? Or something else? IBM's got a very nice tutorial called "Building and
  firing a BB gun" that seems to do just what I need. Is this the right way? As for Java3D, it
  appears to be linked to Swing/AWT, so that's pretty much out of the question (I think!).
* The chosen technology should allow for the 3D contents to be manipulated with SWT widgets:
  which of the three above mentioned methods should I use for this purpose?

So are my wishes...

I've been programming for over 10 years now, have got lots of C experience (dating), some OpenGL,
some Java and some database and DAL know how. I've been reading up on Spring lately and seeing how
ZDT apparently makes use of many technologies I'd like to be more at ease with, it seemss to be
the ideal project to start tinkering with.

If Chris is reading this, please tell me how you would prefer to see 3D implemented in ZDT.

Thanks so much to all who have contributed for such a nice piece of software.

Jean-Philippe Valois
(Montreal)

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jpvalois -

I've just completed part 2 of the IBM DevWorks demo, which only requires the "experimental
org.eclipse.opengl binding" (and it works!). However the Eclipse SWT OpenGL page mentions the
following:

Quote:

Please note that this binding is experimental and subject to change. If you are using SWT 3.2 or
newer then you should use the supported OpenGL binding that is included in the SWT package instead.

But I couldn't get anything working without the experimental library! Perhaps my setup is not
right?

I am so confused.

jp

jpvalois -

Well, looks like I'm the only poster in this thread...might as well go on!

I've been pursuing my 3D flashcard activities. Primo, looks like the current SWT package is
probably all that's needed for my purposes (no JOGL or LWJGL or gljava required). Secundo, the
TextRenderer would be quite helpful I believe, but the class seems liked to AWT. Tertio, from my
current understanding, it appears as if the best way to accomplish my goal of mapping text to a
face will be to first write text to a memory image, and then texture map the image to the surface.

If anybody out there knows anything about this stuff, please let me know if the following makes
any sense (first step is simply loading an image into a texture - sadly it's not working yet: my
OpenGL is quite rusty):

Quote:

import org.eclipse.swt.examples.openglview.ImageDataUtil;
import org.eclipse.swt.graphics.Image;
import org.eclipse.swt.graphics.ImageData;
...

ImageData image;
image = new ImageData("d:/tmp/helloswt.bmp");
image = ImageDataUtil.convertImageData(this.image);

GL.glGenTextures(2, TEXTURES);
GL.glBindTexture(GL.GL_TEXTURE_2D, TEXTURES[0]);
GL.glTexParameteri(GL.GL_TEXTURE_2D, GL.GL_TEXTURE_MAG_FILTER, GL.GL_NEAREST);
GL.glTexParameteri(GL.GL_TEXTURE_2D, GL.GL_TEXTURE_MIN_FILTER, GL.GL_NEAREST);
GL.GL_TEXTURE_WRAP_S, GL.GL_REPEAT);

GL.glTexImage2D(GL.GL_TEXTURE_2D, 0, GL.GL_RGB, image.width, image.height, 0, GL.GL_RGB,
GL.GL_UNSIGNED_BYTE, image.data);

jp

gato -

About Unihan, it's been adapted for Chinese Perakun, the Firefox plugin, so no reason why the same
can't be done for ZDT. See here:
http://www. From Beijing Chinese School/showth...ihan#post90162
Popup Chinese Translator for Firefox!!

jpvalois -

Thanks for the link to the Firefox add-on. I've just installed it and it works quite well.

As for unihan, I've already some experience with loading the data (unihan.txt) into a database;
the challenge will be to make it all fit nicely into ZDT (using hsqldb + spring).

jp

bogleg -

Hey Jean-Philippe. Sorry for not replying. I've been on vacation since Christmas and just got
back. I think your idea sounds great...much more ambitious then anything I could ever do. So, I
don't have any 3D programming experience, but I could definitely come up with a Unihan plugin that
you could use. Send me an email (fongcn at gmail dot com) and maybe we can collaborate.

Chris

jpvalois -

Some very preliminary screenshots of the "3D Flash Cube" progress can be found here.

Any comments? Preferences? Ideas?

jp

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Tuesday, June 3, 2008

Chinese Studies - 而又? - From Beijing Chinese School.com > Learning Chinese > Reading and Writing

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從這些錯綜复雜而又相互矛盾的事實和統計數字中很難得出一個結論來。

what does 而又 mean? am i allowed to take out 而 and just say 又?

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semantic nuance -

而又 simply means 'and'. Yes, you can take out 而 and use 又 alone in this case.

skylee -

而又 = and also

From these complicated and also contradicting facts and statistics it is difficult to reach a
conclusion.

Quote:

am i allowed to take out 而 and just say 又?

Yes you could.

82riceballs -

謝謝!

rootfool -

I have some different opinion.

而又 contains the meaning that the two words connect by it are contradict each other.Such
as:古老而现代的城市/熟悉而陌生的面孔。Even chinese can make mistake when they
using this conjunction,that is,connecting words which only have coordinate relation.But
"错综复杂" contains the meaning of "tangel/jumble",so it contradict "相互矛盾".That's why
I think you couldn't omit "而" in here.

It's just a personal opinion.

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see:
http://www.5-gold.com/simplified/simtaichi02.htm

for an example of usage and a more thorough discussion on
"一是一,二是一,三也是一" in Taiji Quan...

Hehe... that's very nice but uh... I can't read chinese

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Never mind the link.
"I am the beginning, the end, the one who is many. (I am agent Smith )" could be translated as :
我是人类之始,我是人类之终,我是"一分为多, 多合为一"的人

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Can't you find something fitting in the Daodejing? Then it would only be a matter of finding the
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Monday, June 2, 2008

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Classical Chinese for Modern Usage

There are totally 2 volumes for Classical Chinese for Modern Usage, it is designed for Chinese
learners who want to use Classical Chinese in modern life.
Good examples and illustration made this book your first choice for learning.

Books information:
Vol.1

Dimensions: Paperback, 203 pages
ISBN10: 7561915802
ISBN13:
Publication Date: 2006-6
Annotation language:
Language skill: Reading, 选修
Level: Intermediate, Advanced
Category: Chinese Culture Readers
Medium: Paper

Vol.2
Dimensions: 260 x 185 x 10 mm, Paperback, 227 pages
ISBN10:
ISBN13: 9787561920206
Publication Date: 2008-3
Annotation language:
Language skill: 选修
Level: Intermediate, Advanced
Category: Chinese Textbooks for Adults - Language Skills
Medium: Paper

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